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[icecap]

[TheMolecularMan]

fuck this shit. i'm buggin right now

[DepthsAbove]

Nevada never has been a good state.

[mikesphat]

fuckin new territory

86% of the state's land is owned by the US government

[waggles]

idaho has that beat

[icecap]

http://www.reuters.c...E81514720120207

Romney 29% (-1)
Paul 21% (+5)
Gingrich 19% (-1)
Santorum 18% (+5)

that's Paul's biggest surge nationally so far

[FancieBombJack]

Too bad Santorum's about to have another surge tonight.

[nemt]

President Santorum
Vice President Sakara



The Roman warrior ticket
leftists in roo-ins

Edited by nemt, 07 February 2012 - 10:30 PM.

[icecap]

a gaffer glitter bombs ron paul

[nemt]

He's gay now
He's turning gay

-Vermin Supreme

[Mahz]

Ron Paul doesn't have a shot until our 40+ body politic dies off.

Romney nominated.
Obama win.

In case you haven't noticed, Ron Paul is doing pretty fucking bad and we have to pretend this is just a step towards some long term victory. Meanwhile, war for all. Maybe we'll have a shot in 2020 with Gary Johnson or some shit. Just kidding.

Our country is still struggling with intellectually vapid concepts like the "sanctity of marriage", "democracy", and believes that the Muslim Brotherhood is on the cusp of Bolshevikking the US government. Do you think they give a shit about whatever the fuck Ron Paul is talking about?

Our old people are more than willing to ship kids off to war and choke under trillions of debt in exchange for some social security.

Edited by Mahz, 08 February 2012 - 01:15 AM.

[mikesphat]

its just a regurgitating bullshit fest force fed upon the populace

gullible people will be gullible no matter the source

be it church or tv or radio

they are trained from childhood that critical thinking and compassion(love) are wrong

[icecap]

WSJ economist: Ron Paul's 0% income tax would be world's greatest job creator

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During the January 16th debates in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, Presidential candidate Ron Paul laid down a bombshell by advocating his goal of gradually lowering the personal income tax to 0%, while at the same time shrinking government and finding new sources of revenue for Washington to use to perform its duties. In response to this, economist and Senior editor for the Wall Street Journal not only agreed that Congressman Paul's plan was feasible, but it would also be the greatest job creator for a nation in the history of the world.

http://www.examiner....or?CID=obinsite

[nemt]

He should call it the 0-0-0 plan.

[Liquid]

He should call it the "getting back to the stone age" plan.

Edited by Liquid, 08 February 2012 - 04:30 PM.

[icecap]

Yea, because government workers are what makes this nation so successful

liquidate all government jobs tomorrow and nobody would ever notice

[nemt]

Liquid, on 08 February 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

He should call it the "getting back to the stone age" plan.

Cave men had rock taxes you idiot.

[Liquid]

icecap, on 08 February 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Yea, because government workers are what makes this nation so successful

For once a stupid ignorant conservatard is right.

Government educates the population so it creates a functional workforce something that would be impossible otherwise and creates (partly) educated citizens that aren't complete animals like uneducated people tend to be, government creates infrastructure to move the products the corporations libertardians love so much create, government protects us from crime not only by policing but also by ensuring that the MILLIONS of poor don't become so desperate that they plunge the country in crime and anarchy. Government protects us from harmful situations by testing the products and natural resources that we eventually interact with or consume and could have catastrophic results for thousands of people. Government not only makes any nation successful but also saves that nation from many dangers every single day.

Extremists like far right nutjobs would like us to oppose those protections and let greed and money decide who should be protected and what we should be protected from. Educated people who aren't from backwards hillbilly states know better.

Edited by Liquid, 08 February 2012 - 06:53 PM.

[Tiny Tim]

icecap, on 08 February 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Yea, because government workers are what makes this nation so successful liquidate all government jobs tomorrow and nobody would ever notice

Might not work out how you envision it. At least initially.

With the absence of usps workers small businesses that rely upon snail mail payments would suddenly be in the lurch as they struggle to find a new method to get their money. Quite a few would go under as a result of such a payment shift. I certainly don't see ups or fedex stepping up to the plate of cheap letter delivery.

Elderly that live off social security would no longer have somebody sending them payments. Grandma would have to move in with the kids, if they let her. Homeless elderly might be a reality for a while during the transition.

If we get rid of state and city government jobs there goes the water, sewage, and garbage collection for most areas.

That's the immediate effects I can think of off the top of my head. Other problems would crop up and if you are really getting rid of all government jobs then the military goes with it. Suddenly a Red Dawn scenario of invasion of the USA becomes a lot closer to reality.

Edited by Tiny Tim, 08 February 2012 - 07:14 PM.

[nemt]

Does the USPS even cost the government that much relatively?
They probably get more money from Netflix and junkmailers than the federal budget.

[rooter]

nemt, on 09 February 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

Does the USPS even cost the government that much relatively?
They probably get more money from Netflix and junkmailers than the federal budget.

Yes and the USPS has been bleeding money for quite awhile.

[waggles]

what the hell would people do in the digital age without the usps,


how would anyone send letters, or mail checks?

[The Amazing Rapist]

From my perspective as a business man. I wouldn't rely on any corporation on earth to do what the USPS does for the same price. So what if it bleeds a little money and the workers actually get pensions? Persih the thought!

[nemt]

Isn't it kind of stupid for Riggers to be worried about the USPS (ie: something right out of the US constitution), when the bulk of the budget is in three extraconstitutional, obsolete, broken social programs (SS, Medicare, Medicaid)?

Also, from wikipedia:

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The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the minor exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters.

I guess I just have a soft spot for them. I like knowing if someone tampers with my USPS mail they go to federal prison (vs. nothing happening if they tamper with my UPS/Fedex/etc package). No one fucks with my pizza coupons and credit offers.

[waggles]

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In a Senate floor speech, Sanders focused on the White House's newfound interest in Social Security as a target for cuts. "Where does this come from?" Sanders asked. "The president understands that Social Security hasn't contributed one nickel to our deficit. In fact, Social Security has a $2.6 trillion surplus today, can pay out every benefit owed to every eligible American for the next 25 years. Social Security is funded by the payroll tax, not by the U.S. Treasury."

[nemt]

Yes Sanders, like many in Washington, is proficient in playing semantics and technicalities. Leave it to a US Senator to literally state a program is insolvent while he's defending it.

Here's some info on expenditures for fiscal year 2012 if you're interested:
http://useconomy.abo...p/Mandatory.htm

Edited by nemt, 09 February 2012 - 01:59 AM.

[waggles]

lol, are you talking about removing the social security tax from my paycheck when you cut SS?...in which case the budget remains unchanged (read: not fixed), or are you going to continue to take social security money from my paycheck, but cut the program and spend that money on something else?

Edited by waggles, 09 February 2012 - 02:02 AM.

[mikesphat]

thats the problem the ss money was supposed to be untouchable

but then of course politician dickheads had to spend it/borrow against it

[waggles]

sounds like SS isn't the problem then...



WEIRD!

[waggles]

re: usps




republicans want the usps to fail

Edited by waggles, 09 February 2012 - 02:49 AM.